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But, over time, more and more farmers began to wonder who Hanman was actually working for. If he was non responsive to my latest gesture of goodwill and peace, then the posters here are all correct — he is a jerk, If she misinterpreted the tone of his email, it would have been cleared up later when he reached out again, right? Has friends in Nigeria …. On the other hand, I like the idea of treating potential boyfriends as one would treat a trusted friend. I have excellent oral skills and also extensive role play experience. Male, England I'm the guy to message if you need to pee over a funnel or willing mouth, who will drink all you have and also give watersports should you desire.
This system never worked perfectly. Today, however, DFA has upset that balance by joining forces with the parties on the other side of the negotiating table. The organization says it represents more than 13, member farmers in forty-eight states. But it simultaneously has grown to the point that it owns or controls entities up and down the entire dairy industry supply chain, from milk truckers to food processors to marketers.
DFA claims that controlling the supply chain helps protect farmers. In all, DFA controls about 30 percent of all milk sales nationally and a far higher share in many regions. T o all appearances, Gary Hanman was a man of the people. Often seen in worn overalls, muddy boots, or bright red suspenders, the Missouri native had a down-home appeal that charmed the many dairy farmers he worked with.
His affability helped him climb the ladder in the dairy cooperatives where he made his name. As the head of Mid-America Dairymen, he grew the cooperative through nearly fifty mergers. Then, in , he spearheaded the biggest merger in dairy cooperative history, uniting Mid-America and three others to form Dairy Farmers of America.
For example, he and DFA worked to engineer mergers giving the food processor Dean Foods a dominant market share of milk sales in many regional markets—and then forged deals with Dean making DFA its sole supplier. All this was done, Hanman said, in order to help the little guy, the local dairy farmer, to better bargain with giant food processors and retailers, who were themselves merging at a frenzied pace.
The story Hanman told dairy farmers was that they had to let him consolidate their local co-ops into a vertically integrated Goliath in order to stand up to the even bigger agribusiness giants. But, over time, more and more farmers began to wonder who Hanman was actually working for.
During the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations, some tried to interest the U. Department of Justice in prosecuting DFA for antitrust violations. But regulators made only a minimal effort to investigate anticompetitive practices in the dairy sector.
In , the Department of Justice began an investigation into the relationship between Dean and DFA, but it ground to a halt in for unexplained reasons. But none of these efforts brought structural change to the role and power of DFA. O ne reason DFA has gotten away with all this is, perversely, its legal status as a co-op. Coming into the s, the cooperative movement in the United States was flourishing, particularly in the agricultural sector. The promise of collective ownership became an appealing platform for political leaders in both parties, as it provided an all-American alternative to both monopoly capitalism and socialism.
It was also especially popular among civil rights leaders. But as cooperatives grew in size and power, they also attracted powerful enemies. Large food processors charged that farmer co-ops were illegal cartels, and pressed regulators to prosecute them under the Sherman and Clayton Antitrust Acts. After decades of debate and unsettled law, two Republican members of Congress offered what they hoped would be a solution. They were Arthur Capper, who served as governor of Kansas from to and then as a senator from to , and Andrew Volstead, a congressman from Minnesota who had recently become chair of the House Judiciary Committee.
The two men persuaded Congress and the Harding administration that as long as co-ops were comprised of genuine, small-scale producers, they should be largely exempt from antitrust prosecution. The Capper-Volstead Act of establishes an antitrust exemption for farmer co-ops, which has left room for intensive lobbying and litigation over just who is and is not a real farmer.
But in subsequent years, neither the courts nor Congress nor successive Democratic and Republican administrations have applied any real scrutiny to the question of whether entities operating as co-ops are really representing the little guy. The Capper-Volstead Act empowers the secretary of agriculture to take action against a co-op that engages in anticompetitive behaviors, but that power has never been used. Because of that, Dairy Farmers of America has been able to expand into all aspects of food processing, marketing, and distribution while still being protected as a co-op from antitrust prosecution.
The results have been mixed. But it is being contested by some of the plaintiffs, who charged that DFA colluded with their attorney and strong-armed other farmers into signing the settlement. W hat lessons can we take from this sad story? It needs to be made clear that no corporation gets the legal privileges of a co-op unless it truly represents the little guy without any conflicts of interests.
While there is nothing wrong per se with co-ops becoming vertically integrated, the law should ensure that the money co-ops make on all their operations goes back directly to their members. Another lesson is that monopoly begets monopoly. Not sure she should have contacted him though.
Seems kind of like a jerk move to me. Seems like a reasonable person would have seen their error, or at the very least, chalked it up to miscommunication and made plans for another night. In that case, it would make sense for her to make sure if they were still on.
This was a 6th date. Looking back on our exchanges, I feel like I was always hinting at our dates. And throughout the course of 3 months, this took a lot of energy from me. The red flags were there.. I felt he was not that into me and I ended things. In situations where i was confused I think i was initiating contact about 20 percent of the time.
Btw I really enjoy your blog Evan, helps me get through confusing situations with different guys. Personally, I am turned off if a guy accepts my money on a first few dates or, I had it so many times, tells a waiter that we are not going to order food without even asking me first.
In 5 years this whole mindset of provide for your woman will be old-fashiony, and not in a good old fashion way. We can talk, laugh, connect — and split the check.
Think of it this way, currently if a guy wants to talk to you in a bar, all he has to do is buy you a 6 dollar drink.
At least I do. I just prefer for the whole money thing to be just money things. Initially, I was going to post the following about chasing a guy versus this situation:. If so, there might be some assumption on his part that after 4 Saturdays in a row, she will understand he also wants to see her on the next one especially given that he indicated there would be a fifth date. If the previous dates were not all on Saturdays and no mention was made, even in passing, about a date on Saturday then I have no idea what all the fuss is about on his end.
In response to him trying to make plans with her? Just my 2 cents. He was just looking for an out and she gave it to him. Thank you JB for your honest male perspective. Since they were still on a once a week basis, that was my first clue. Agreed JB ; he was looking for an out and this just happened to be it, but it could have been any small matter.
It sounds like the LW is very attracted to him based on what she perceives the chemistry level to be. Therefore, if he had made his move, she likely would have responded positively soon after giving a token effort to not come across as a slut. Who knows why this is? He my be feeling objectified.
Consider how she described him in her letter: Most women mention that, but I could be wrong. In fact, she gave no indication of their physicality. I assume they at least kissed, but now I am wondering. I usually start offering to pay by the second or third date, and my early dates are usually no-cost or lost.
In my younger days, men reacted very negatively when I offered to split the bill. Right now I am wooing you, so let me. Yeah, I found that to be a bit off-putting as well. It seems like she likes the IDEA of him, and not actually him.
But that can be real tricky, introducing a new suitor, but not yet boyfriend to friends. Since this is the site that I learned about women refusing to let a man pay if she is not into him; as well as the site that I hear the most stories regarding men who refuse to allow a women to pay.
So even if the woman is into the guy, could it be some insecurity behind their refusal to allow her to pay? In my younger days, men almost always got insulted if I tried to pay, in these modern times, many men resent buying a woman a coffee or a sno-cone. I also listed the free art walks that are frequent in our town, and the free concerts. In my fiancees case, when he saw my coffee, he offered me a blueberry muffin, and we walked arm in arm back inside and got our muffins.
I think it was much easier 50 years ago when men always paid and no one had to wonder what to do. Sorry, those guys are not getting any action, believe me. I always offer to pay on a first date but never go on a second with him if he accepts my money. Everyone has their own strategies and ways. I would never offer to pay, and then hold it against someone for taking me up on the offer. Maybe the guy had every intention of paying, then interpreted your offer as not being into him and by you not giving him a 2nd date, you are cementing that notion.
Maybe he intended to pay, and thought your offer was genuine. I settled on giving guys the option to take me on a FREE brief date. Usually the guys that were into me would voluntarily treat me to something. One date I had at a free outdoor concert. He excused himself briefly then surprised with a gelato for both of us. After all, with online dating, you are basically meeting a stranger.
If they did, then really that is their problem, because I gave them a no cost option. I had brief cheap dates that never ever escalated to anything more and only left me resentful about wasted time and effort. What can you talk about over coffee? A guy I am dating right now, I was his first Match date since he signed up after his last relationship ended.
He never dated online before and he was just an old school with nice places he picked up for our dates, phone calls instead of texts and following up and setting a next date right after the previous one. If it was me and I really liked him I would have sent a quick message to him to reconfirm Thurs. I do understand a woman getting impatient with unconfirmed plans though. I ve had guys ask to meet , suggest a time and place, and then I never hear from them again. At that point I block them.
This made me laugh out loud! I have experienced the amnesia too! At that point I start wondering if I just have a by-phone contact buzz and forget about it.
Sunday evening at 6: He made sure to make the plans a little more in advance. We are still dating. I do mirror him, but I also learned that if he says he wants to see me, I will reach out to him to see if he will follow through before disregarding his lack of confirmation as him no longer being interested. I just believe that guys can get so focused on one thing, like work, etc, that they can be forgetful. Then I know they never really had the interest or intention of really seeing me, so I move on.
At this stage things should be moving on at a nice clip such that there is zero vagueness or anxiety, and otherwise there should be lots of communication between dates. The lack of a phone call on Thursday would indicate that might be so, since the OP intimated that his pattern would have included a call by that day.
On the other hand, I like the idea of treating potential boyfriends as one would treat a trusted friend. Assuming, as others have said, all the other dates were on a Saturday at the same time. But date five is very early for this, since to me at least it implies expectations of his behavior before she really knows him and fails to trust him to contact her when he is available. While communication is and remains, as always, the key, there are two simultaneously acting principles here: If they were, we might consider a pattern has been established, and checcking up on intent or scheduling might have been a good idea.
This is a tricky one. One critical piece of information is missing. Did he reach out to her to arrange a date on Sat night, and she told him she had already made plans, or did she reach out to him saying she had already made plans without him asking first? The way I read it, it sounds like the latter. Perhaps a brunch on Sunday? If she did that AND his response was angry — major red flag, she needs to lose that guy pronto. Who needs this crap? I agree with Evan, all the fault is not on him.
She could have contacted him to confirm. My guess is that their dates are usually on Saturdays and that is why he did not specify a date, because he assumed the fifth would be on the same day as the previous four.
This is also only a guess, but I think that most of us are so use to only looking at situations from the letter writers side that we sometimes forget that their are two sides to every situation. Personally, I can see why he reacted so angrily; he assumed they had plans for Saturday, she confirmed they were going out on another date while on date number four he assumed the day to be Saturday, she did not , then last minute to him she cancels their pre-arranged date, just to hang out with her friends.
It reeks of insecurity and neediness, but I still can see how he felt dumped or like she was not that into him. I have read tons of similar stories like this from guys in the comments sections on here, and that is what is leading me to this conclusion.
Maybe he felt like a back up option the entire four dates and her actions of dumping him last minute on Saturday in his mind was the final indication that she was not into him. Guys need huge, in their face signs sometimes, while women are great at reading subtlety.
This means that men give large in your face signs that they are into a women-generally, while women give subtle signs that they are into a man; this causes many communication misunderstandings. Of course this is all just conjecture, the guy could just be a jerk; but maybe this guy needed for the original letter writer to offer more than a wink and a smile to know how she truly felt about him.
The girl in question was really shy, so the guy struggled with seeing she was attracted to him, the advice of literally every other guy in the group and a few women told the guy that she was just not really into him and that she was only saying yes to his dates because she was bored and waiting on a better option to appear.
Of course I still say that the letter writer AND the guy should have handled the situation like adults and called each other instead of texting. He was wrong to get angry, he was wrong though I feel it was a mistake not intentional for not confirming the day, and he was wrong for ending the relationship over that. But every man is not like Evan.
To me it just seems like from her letter that the guy was really into her, so there had to be more of a disconnect than she realized. The only thing I can logically guess is that on the dates she felt she was giving him signs that she was interested but she came off to him as someone who was not that interest, or on the fence about her attraction to him for example calling him objectively handsome.
So already feeling like a backup, non-priority to her, when she last minute broke off their date just to hang with friends, his lack of assurance of her attraction for him took over and he acted like child. Just to clarify for your benefit: So, no, that is not a sign. He said they kissed a few times and they made out a few times. The calling, the texting, the dates, the kissing, the wanting to see each other etc.
One should always remain in contact with friends. Those relationships are important, too, regardless of whether or not you are dating someone. They could have had brunch or made plans for Sunday. A confident man would appreciate her and find a time for them to meet.
Evelyn, you are making big big assumptions about his state of mind here. Something is definitely missing here. How did your get-together go the other night? I agree with you, I was not implying that she should dump her friends for him, I was just answering from the view point of a insecure needy person, because that is how I see this guy.
So to him, he was blown off because she wanted to hang with friends instead of be with him. But it is more than that, he saw it as a last minute dump. Or whenever their last date was, so about a week; then out of the blue, she waits until the day before to tell him, she wants to go out with her friends instead. Falling for a women who is not really into him, or is just with him until he finds someone better. Most of it probably before your time, but they played a Maxwell song.
You might remember him from the mids. Admittedly, her sending that email to him was strange. All of this could have been cleared up by a simple phone call by either party. Some of the other guys who commented on this post wrote that he might have been waiting for her to step up and plan and pay for their next date. A perfectly reasonable wish by their 5th date.
The writer went on four dates with him and accepted the fifth. She waited until at least Thursday and when she told him she had made other plans, she reminded him how much she enjoyed their time together and that she looked forward to seeing him again. He had a conversation or two to make the plans. I think she did everything right. She was welcoming and if he wanted to see her on Saturday, he should have made plans for Saturday. He already had her yes.
Men DO play games…or call it what you will. A brand new guy, or someone I had been on a couple of dates with. Not to stray off topic, but I would be interested to hear from other women who have had the same experience. I hear nothing until Saturday at 8 p. What are you doing? Of course, that situation went nowhere. The letter writer had been on four dates with this guy, which is still a new relationship.
I have had that exact situation, too, with the text at 8 or 9 the day of the date. I took that as a sign that he was trying to convert me to FWB. I responded to the 2nd one: That nipped it in the bud. I had a guy telling me he will pick me up at 7pm on Saturday night second date and never showed up or responded to my text that I sent few hours before to confirm. Another one canceled via text literally 30 min before the date, I was already ready to leave the house. Funny thing that he texted me a week later and wanted to meet.
I never even responded to that. Yes, there are a lot of girls giving up nowadays. I can kind of see her side but have to agree with Evan a bit more.
We need more information. Basically he has Friday and Saturdays to go out on a date. Instead of confirming with him before making plans on a Saturday.
She basically told him if he wanted to see her again that weekend it has to be Friday. Like a you snooze you lose buddy! I agree with Evan. I would think a guy would be like whatever, next week then and brush it off. He cut off communication. I just dated a guy for a month, every weekend doing lots of different fun things, and a few middle of the week dates.
I thought everything was going amazing, and we were having so much fun together! Perhaps your guy had a change of heart, so became wishy washy about the planning. If he was in to you, I think he would have been easy going about what happened, and made a date for another night instead. Does it really matter that much if the date is on Saturday night?
Friday night, Sunday afternoon, these are all good times to spend time together. The fact that he got terse and disappeared makes me think he would have been no fun to deal with in the future anyway, maybe the kind of person that might end up stringing you along a lot, and I am just saying that because two guys ago that is exactly what happened to me as as well. He made lots of clear defined dates for about one month, then everything got freeform and unclear and he started being late all the time.
I was a fool and let him string me along for months! Also curious to know, since you did not mention Melinda, did you kiss at all? One guy I went on only one date with kept telling me how much great chemistry we had and I did not feel it at all.
Another guy who I went on only one date with, I felt a great connection and he said there was no chemistry. Chemistry is not necessarily mutual. Disappointed, please learn to read with understanding instead of using your simple minded emotional stance to respond. This has nothing to do with mirroring. Good luck being confused.
When I was in OLD, this sort of wishy-washy thing was typical for first or second dates. I will send you a text sometime tomorrow and let you know where to meet me. I thought it rather rude for him to keep me hanging until hours before the date.
No ambiguity, no wishy-washy talk. Solid plans, showed up on time, told me how he felt about me in uncertain terms, asked me to be exclusive early on. Few months ago I went on a very nice first date and then few days later the guy planned a second date which was great as well.
Then he disappeared till Friday second date was on Saturday , so I assumed he is not interested and made plans for Friday and Saturday. We met on Sunday but I was just turned off by his behavior and the date was meh, where I just wanted to go home and watch my show on Netflix. I replied that I was turned off by him not following up after a second date where we made out for a few hours and then silence for almost a week. I guess that his friend just gave him a bad advice…. From the sound of things, he planned 4 great dates and then got disappointed that she made other plans before he got a chance to pin down the 5th.
But the gist, I think, is that prior to going off and planning something else, it may have been nice for her to check in in a sexy, cute, non-needy way about the 5th date. But at the end of the day, he put in a lot of effort for her and was probably just wanting a bit more effort or consideration on her part. It ties into it perfectly. I think the man was a little too sensitive. One of the rare times I disagree with Evan. The guy was vague, and it is at this point that many guys begin the fade.
She could have reached out for clarification; he could have solidified plans as he had previously shown a pattern of doing. I found this to be a really interesting thread. Particularly exes or someone else they were interested in, etc. I recently met a man who has been so decisive in his interest and intentions I am doing nothing but mirroring. If we find this is the relationship that we want…the person of our hopes and dreams. He is clear then we figure the rest out. I just moved and found my dream job.
Honestly, I never considered long distance dating. Four dates once a week and then uncertain fifth date?
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Got talking very sweet guy. Same story, rig engineer with a 16 years old daughter …. This is a tricky one.
Not to stray off topic, but I would be interested to hear from other women who have had the same experience. Dota Plus is an ongoing, uninterrupted evolution of the Battle Passes that Valve would sell during the Majors and The International tournaments. See my response to Tom10 for an explanation of why I get this impression.
Not rated yet Presented himself as Hoffa Cruz. I like being peed upon and drinking pee. I agree with Evan. Has a 15 year old son David. They already HAD plans. So she went along and made plans with datinh for Saturday. They ask if their soul mate can re-ship them to Nigeria.
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